And I'm supposed to believe this is all just from a bit of moisture in jet fuel.


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Fizgig January 06, 2023, 03:45 AM
Y'know..... If you flip it around, it's nature's homage to "Scarlet Letter".... LOL.... Or the pagan symbol associated with witches/witchcraft ;)

Dunno what to tell you about the science.... Here in NYC, we see these in the wake of big airplanes all the time.... They vanish in a few minutes... I mean, if these things are showing up in an area where no airplane ever flies over, that's an entirely diff't story.... It's kinda like the conspiracy theorists who will argue 'til the cows come home that the residue left behind from a plane that creates a sonic boom is anything but what the science says it is....

This one is a bit odd, I will grant you 'cause, even over NYC that sees a plane fly over every minute or so, the contrails don't usually last long enough to crisscross like this....

Anyway, nice catch =)

David B January 06, 2023, 04:01 AM
I don't know what the real reason behind all of these things are. All I know is, today I was outside splitting wood for about 1.5 hours and I would watch a jet fly overhead, leaving this long thin trail (from horizon to horizon). Then, this thin trail would spread out wider, and wider. Then another jet flew over, and then another. In this shot alone, nine bands for nine high-altitude jets.

The sky way perfectly clear blue when I started splitting wood. But, then these bands fanned out to cover it in these milky white bands that you see here. Not just the relatively thin criss-crosses, but I mean, the wide bands you see close to the horizon and the one going across the middle of the frame. There was not one naturally occurring cloud to be found all day today.

This went on all afternoon and as the sun when down. The jet-stream would slowly blow these bands (which all stayed in formation, they just got wider) southward as the afternoon went on.

This can actually be seen quite frequently out here now.

Fizgig January 07, 2023, 08:55 AM
That's weird.... Here they just dissipate... Yeah, they fan out a bit before they do so. I mean, our skies have planes of all sizes in them virtually every second of every day and yet we still enjoy clear blue skies.... Maybe the air quality is diff't or something where you are and it all messes with things (?)

What I find intriguing with the science is the fact that it can't seem to explain why it doesn't hold true for every airplane.... OK, sure, the fuel used by smaller planes, blah, blah... fine... But it's really obvious here with so many big international flight capable airplanes coming in to our huge airports, that very few of them leave contrails.... Riddle me that.... I mean, if every airplane did that, we'd never have clear skies.... And yet.... We used to hang out at a parking area across the bay from JFK International and watch the airplanes take off and land.... I tell ya, maybe one out of every 30 big planes left a contrail....

The moisture from the jet fuel thing just isn't true, that much I know.... With the humidity levels so low where you are most of the time, water vapor would quickly vanish, not hang in the air.... It's exhaust, pollution.... They don't want to admit it, but that's what it is.... NASA and the like will argue it isn't a problem as long as you let them, but, if we're all supposed to go get rid of our fossil fuel using stuff, then they should be doing more to curb their unnecessary polluting activities, too, no? But, oh no, that's just water vapor... I suppose that's what all that smokey looking crap is when they launch all these unnecessary and pointless space exploration things, too.... lol.... Humanity, gotta luv it... ;)

David B January 07, 2023, 01:36 PM
You're absolutely right. If the skies over NY looked like this every day, there would be an outcry to stop it I'm quite sure. I agree with you, there are two sets of rule books.... one for us and one for them. I'll give you a guess as to which one has the tougher lines to tow.
Fizgig January 08, 2023, 12:39 AM
Well, I think if our skies had that "stuff" hanging there like your described, we'd very quickly lose all traces of sunlight, never to see it again.... I wonder.... Are you near an airport? I'm doubting it, buuuuuttt... I could be wrong ;) I'm thinking, wondering if maybe some planes use that area on their route to "dump" off excess fuel.... Cuz, see, and here's the "genius" of that... Some international flights, when they reach a certain point over land near their destinations, they "dump" excess fuel to lighten the airplane to either make better time or, here's the genius of it, to save on fuel costs --- makes sense, don't it? (smirk) .... Usually they do that over sparsely populated areas if they're gonna do it 'cause they know darn well no one wants to have jet fuel fanned out in the atmosphere over their heads (though I have actually seen them do it over NYC neighborhoods; not the home of the rich, Manhattan, of course).... Just a thought....

There's got to be an explanation for it that goes beyond the junk science of water vapor from the jet fuel.... Interesting, I find, that military jets leave contrails 99% of the time.... The percentage drops off precipitously for their cargo carrying monstrosities, though.... I have a theory that it's the blend/purity of the jet fuel a particular big plane uses in conjunction with its air speed and atmospheric conditions; leaning heavily toward the jet fuel.... I think some airlines, as a means to save money (cuz the exorbitant prices they now charge just can't seem to keep them afloat), use the lowest quality, cheapest jet fuel they can get their paws on or legally get away with. I did notice when I was in China, where their environmental protections are laughable at best, almost every med.-big airplane that flew overhead left contrails.... It caught my attention only because I'm not used to seeing that with such regularity and it struck me as odd.... So, in paying more attention, with the help of a couple of colleagues, I noted that the airplanes that didn't leave contrails were by a huge margin non-Chinese airlines.... And then we noticed, with some research, that the Chinese airlines owned planes leaving contrails were ones that had routes restricted to certain countries.... Look a little deeper.... Those countries had at least as poor an environmental protection record.... It was fascinating, really.... This is where my theory about jet fuel comes in... Now, the US and CAN have some of the strictest environmental laws in the world --- there are airlines from MANY countries that have lost the right to operate in countries with such strict environmental protection laws... If they fly "dirty" or have a poor safety record or can't maintain a relatively modern fleet (planes no older than 10yrs.), their permits to operate are revoked... Thought you might find some of that interesting ;) If not, sorry to bore ya =P

As for lines to toe.... "They" can't be bothered... "They" hire those outside their circle to toe lines... "They" usually don't even know what the lines look like... LOL .... Take tRump ;) for example: couldn't find his arse with both hands... They were replacing the lettering on one of his high end hotels and worked from right to left.... So, they were down to the last letter.... The sign was reading "Rump Tower" ... LOL .... I saw it and thought, "well, that about says it all.... no truer words" .... Also thinking that those workers knew exactly what they were doing in starting from the right ;)

David B January 08, 2023, 01:27 AM
That is a very interesting theory about the dumping of jet fuel. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. We live about 200km (as the the crow flies) from a major airport in Regina, SK. However, although we live "in the middle of nowhere", we may be close enough (or far enough away, depending on your point of view) at a national level to jettison fuel for other air ports further away (like Minneapolis or Toronto, etc.).

And, yeah, it's all just business to "them".





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