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few suggestions- smart albums, cool software, etc..

soulground   April 16, 2008, 05:58 PM

Hey, I signed up last month and so far I think its a cool service. I know you guys are in the middle of designing an update, so you've probably considered all of these, but I thought I'd just throw them all out there.

1 - Smart albums.
Be really cool to be able to assign tags to albums, and then any photo that matches those tags gets automatically put in that album. Eg: I assign the tags for all my friends names to a "Friends" album, then every time I upload a pic tagged "billy" it automatically gets added to that album.

2 - Smart Privacy/copyright
similar to 1. If i can add certain tags to a "private" list, and maybe others to CC lists then privacy/license could be sorted automatically.
This is mostly related to people. My girlfriend doesn't want any pics containing her to be public, so I could add her tag to a "make private" list. I don't mind my pics of buildings, landscapes, etc.. being CC-shared, but i figure pics with my mates in should probably be rights-reserved.

3 - People/place tags.
Similar to how Vimeo does it. Or facebook maybe. Allow you to assign a tag to a person. That person could be a member or an email address. that way they'd get updated whenever I added a pic with them in. And I'd get updated whenever they added a pic with me in. So people could see my pics on my profile, but also a link to "other people's pictures of soulgrind".
Assigning geo-tag coordinates to a tag would also be handy. I'm aware there is already something a bit like this, but it seems kinda techy so i haven't investigated.

4 - Pics from other accounts/feeds.
Be nice if subscriptions/profiles could subscribe to feeds from other photo sites, so they could show thumbnails on 23.
This is because I've migrated from flickr, but I still have a few friends and contacts on there. No idea how it'd work, but i think flickr has thumbnail rss feeds, at least for public pics.

5 - Need some software. Windows Live Photo Gallery
I just discovered the free Windows Live Photo Gallery download from Microsoft, and much to my MS-hating surprise its awesome, better than picasa in many ways, especially for tagging. They have an API to add services for easy upload. No idea how tricky it would be to implement it, but it'd be well worth a look. Be a good way to get noticed too.
http://get.live.com/photogallery/overview

6 - Dark CSS style.
I've been messing with the custom CSS (cool feature to have, BTW) but its a real pain changing everything to the dark style I wanted. (i put a post in the custom css group, but no one answered). A few more predefined styles as starting points would be nice.

7 - Styles/headers gallery.
Several people have made nice style sheets and cool graphical headers.. be nice if there was a "user styles gallery" to allow people to easily share and use them. I'd be happy to design a few headers, etc.. and add them to such a gallery. (if i could just sort out the css for the sidebar!)

8 - Facebook integration.
Not important to me, but would help with marketing.
If you could find a way to link tags to facebook contacts that'd make it useful.

9 - less tables, more CSS. ;-)
I'd guess you know this, but redoing the site using more CSS for layout might improve a few things, and definitely would make custom CSS easier.

 
Steffen Fagerström Christensen Team 23   April 16, 2008, 06:27 PM

Hey Tom,

You have a lot of nice suggestions in there -- and as I've written a few times over the past few week it's frustrating to have great input and not be able to give you guys a bit of instant-gratification-goodness by applying some simple changes. Instead, I'll be replying in meaningless words ;-)

First, 6, 7 and 9: Out current styles has been developed over at least three years, which is the reason for some of the bad, bad tables ;-) and probably also for how hard it is to make a darker CSS style. Some stabs have been taken at it though with dark-gray bacgrounds and our current thinking is that we'll be putting up a good prize in a design-the-official-dark-theme-for-23 competition when we launch the new 23 layout. Hopefully, that will bring us closer. Also, the new style is slightly less table-based.

The styling photogroup is a reasonable attempt to catalogue themes although I don't think I've actually posted anything there myself...

1, 2 and 3: Magic tags in different shapes and forms. We actually do support magic "place:" tags (see here) although our current Places integration is very beta and we are planning to do much, much better. For people, I'm not sure. The facebook integration is amazingly simple and I actually likes it quite a bit -- but (as with everything on facebook) it break the wall of privacy. Who does the tagged photo belong to and so on. If I tag a photo of you, can I keep it private from you? A lot is being done to automate these kinds of detections these days (our good friends at Polarrose are an interesting case in point) so we're cowardly waiting to see which way the wind blows.

We'd like to make smart albums; or rather something different called "collections" which are sets of photos (possibly across accounts) that match certain criteria. I'm unsure if we would have permissions be dictated by these collections though, which would make it less usable for you, right?

4. Pics from photo feeds. We're currently very inspired by the approach to rss photo sharing taken by piclens in embracing Media RSS. For some reason, even though Media RSS is a Yahoo standard, Flickr doesn't seem to support it. So that doesn't take us much further. And the current state of things is that subscribing to photos in RSS is pretty hard. (Thinking out loud: Using the Google Ajax Feed API might make this slightly earsier and possibly a lot harder.)

Finally, to the actionable news. Live Photo Gallery doesn't seem to have a publishing API of its own but supports a photo printing API from Windows XP and Windows Vista. We might be able to use that. I'll be looking into that right now...

(Again, I realise that I actually didn't answer that many questions. Hopefully, I did shine a bit of light on our thinking here at the 23 World Headquarters?)

 
Steffen Fagerström Christensen Team 23   April 27, 2008, 01:35 PM

A quick update: I woke up this morning and saw this feature request. I though that building Picasa and Live Photo Gallery integration would be quite easy and pretty much work along the same lines. It didn't.

So after eight hours I haven't even started work on your request. The Picasa plugin, however, seems to be working: http://www.23hq.com/23/upload-options

 




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