key features for staying in touch?
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January 17, 2008, 03:32 PM
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Hey guys
23 is going through a bit of surgey these days and hopefully we'll be rolling out a major update in a months time.
We are working very hard on making the new version really excellent and easy for you all to use.
So please join the photogroup and lets start discussing how its done...
What I'm really interested in finding out are things like...
how you're using 23 to share your photos?
what type of photos you're sharing, and who are you sharing them with (family, friends, colleagues or the whole world)?
what the key features you are using for staying in touch are?
thanks ;-)
maria
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January 23, 2008, 05:44 PM
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Im finding it very easy and smart that i can share photos from holidays, celebrations and birthdays with my family, but my family dont have reliability about photosharing , so so far im sending them email and then they can view my photoweblog.
I like sharing photos about my home to friends/colleagues, because Im living in a rentet house with six other students like a commune, and people finding that interested.
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February 11, 2008, 01:12 PM
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For me, 23 is a place to share my images with like-minded photographers from around the world. The best parts for me are giving and receiving feedback on my pictures, and those of the people I've met through the site. So the "conversations" page is the one I use most, along with the subscriptions.
One additional feature that I think would be interesting: if one could look at a global list of the, say, 50 most viewed images each day. I'm sure there are loads of great pictures on the site that I don't know about, and therefore miss. I realise that just because an image is viewed a lot doesn't mean that it's a good image, but it would be a place to start!
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February 11, 2008, 02:11 PM
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@StevieB - yes, I also think that would be a great idea, similar to Zooomr's discover page (though of course, 23 would do that much better ;)).
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February 11, 2008, 11:51 PM
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@Vincent: yes, but without the ridiculous "awesomeness" algorithm. Just a straight "number of views" tally, and let us be the judges of the images' quality!
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February 14, 2008, 09:38 AM
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I like the "discover page"!
but maybe with the possibility to sort by Views, Number of comments, Times selected as favorite and Photo ranking
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April 16, 2008, 06:25 PM
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For staying in touch with friends its all about the updates.
To be honest, I think facebook has probably done the "staying in touch with friends" pictures system better than anyone, and they aren't even a photo sharing site.
The fact that you can tag PEOPLE in pictures, and then everyone concerned finds out that there is a new picture concerning them, is awesome, and makes keeping in touch through pictures so easy.
(most of the rest of their pictures service isn't so great tho).
If I could associate tags with people (either 23 users, or email addresses, or IM addresses, or whatever), then keeping in touch would be easy. Every time I added a pic with my mate Maria she would see it on her 23 homepage. Every time I added a pic with my father he'd get an email, every time I added a pic with my sister she'd get an IM, and any time anyone added a pic with me in it I'd see it on my homepage.
(plus, if you could link tags up to facebook contacts somehow, the easyness would get much easier and more amazing).
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April 16, 2008, 06:43 PM
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Excellent suggestion soulgrind, I really liked being able to tag people on Zooomr.
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Team 23
April 16, 2008, 06:48 PM
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We actually had a prototype runningwith (some of) this but decided against it. Back then we were hoping to be able to detect people within the photos and we only got it working at about a 90% level -- so we ditched it. One approach would be to simply list people in the photos rather than actually pointing to then within the photo. This might make for a better UI?
I haven't actually tried this on a large scale myself. Is it a very time-intensive task to tag people in, say, 200 photos?
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April 16, 2008, 07:34 PM
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Simply listing would already be great. However, if detecting works for ~90%, how about simply a "suggest people in this photo" feature? That way, the user could select the correct people and tag them accordingly.
I suppose it'd be a lot less work if you could just select one peopletag, look over a list of your photos and click the suggested people, occasionally adjusting when necessary.
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Team 23
April 16, 2008, 07:37 PM
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Detecting in the sense of "there are three people in this photo and we can draw a sqaure around their faces"; sadly not in the sense of "we know that this is a photo of Stipe, Buck and Mills".
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Team 23
April 16, 2008, 07:37 PM
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(that of course is the promise of Polarrose and similar initiatives.)
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April 16, 2008, 07:43 PM
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Sure, but selecting is the most tedious task. If you could just click a square and tell who it is, that'd already be a much quicker task, and thus easier to perform for a lot of photos.
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April 17, 2008, 08:46 AM
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Personally I have no real interest in tagging people WITHIN the photo (a la facebook), I'd just like to add tags as normal.
What I'd like is for some tags to be defined as "people tags" with associated benefits.
To be honest, I don't tag on online services, I tag in software in metadata on my PC. Which wouldn't be compatible with drawing little boxes around people anyway.
But if, for example, Vincent is my friend, and I upload pictures with "vincent" keywords in the metadata, then that'd add a "vincent" tag on 23.
I'd like to be able to select the "vincent" tag and drag it to a "people tags" box. Then I could add extra data to all my "people tags", such as 23 username, email address, facebook username, IM address, etc..
(plus privacy setting??)
So anytime I uploaded a pic tagged "vincent" it'd alert him.
Also, on the picture page you could seperate out "tags" and "cast" to show the people in the pic and the more generic tags like "party".
Plus, if other users upload a picture with me in it, I'd be alerted. And on my profile there'd be a "other people's pics of soulgrind" link.
PS/ Could also be done with "location tags" giving them a geotag.
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April 17, 2008, 09:05 AM
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Some of this is already possible via the personal and global RSS feeds for every tag. So Vincent could already monitor whether you or anyone else uploads photos tagged "vincent".
For less technical users or tracking only photos from a certain group of people, e-mail may be a better solution.
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April 17, 2008, 10:12 AM
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But a tag of "vincent" might be any vincent. If that tag (in certain people's accounts) was associated with THIS vincent, he'd only get stuff related to him.
I can't imagine my parents, or even many of my friends messing with personal rss and tag rss feeds.
I guess essentially what i'm saying is "link tags to contacts".
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Team 23
April 17, 2008, 10:18 AM
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I like the idea of overhauling the Contacts and Places sections and having "place:..." match places (similar to now) and "contact:..." match contacts -- it makes nice sense and it bind objects together well. It's a big makeover though ;-)
There are a few problems in this approach: Permissions and the heavy use of tags. We almost certainly wouldn't have permissions be dictated by tags. And I'm unsure if the non-geeky users (a group which none of us belong to, I guess) would catch the magic of tags.
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April 17, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Its all speculative, but if i was to try and do it for non-geeky users I'd suggest:
On the contacts list, for each contact:
Enter Name:
Enter a tag for this contact (eg: steffen)
Optional:
Enter email address
Default privacy for pictures of this contact: none/restrictedCC/private
On a Places list:
Enter name:
Enter geocode: (or click here to find on a map)
Enter tag for this place:
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For the more geeky, on the tag management page:
Maybe drag and drop of tags into "people" and "places" lists that then allow you to do as above.
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By permissions, do you mean photo privacy, or permissions for sending update info?
I'd imagine users could choose to ignore updates tagged as them from different users, and emails etc.. would still have a "don't spam me" unsubscribe option.
A for setting privacy (and maybe license) by tag, personally I think it'd be an awesome feature. Let me explain:
In my case, my girlfriend is paranoid about the web, and so wants all pics with her in to be marked private. This is a pain to do.
In the case of pictures of friends and family I usually have no problem with making them public, but I probably want them all to be under a "rights reserved" license, as I don't know if they want their pic used in some other website.
In the case of most other pics I'm happy to CC-share them and let anyone use them.
However right now its a real pain to remember and set all the different permissions and licenses by hand. If I could set default licenses/permissions by other criteria (tags/people in the pics) then I could just upload and forget.
(obviously this would only set the defaults when uploading a batch, and these could then be easily changed from the upload page).
I guess its essentially a variation on Smart Albums (another feature I think you should implement, but thats another discussion).
I guess now i'm getting away from the "share with friends" topic, but I don't think it'd be too hard to implement... you have to scan each pic's metadata on upload to create tags anyway, just check that against any existing tags with privacy options and set it accordingly. (defaulting to the most private of all the tags involved).
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Anyway, back to the sharing topic. If w had people tags and places tags then you could add two views: By People and By Places.
You could also add avatars for people near the pics they appear in, which would link to their profiles/pics.
Finally, on the intro page you could mix up Your pics, Recent pics in your area, recent pics in your group, recent pics in the world, recent pics of you/your contacts, recent pics near your places. etc.. for a more varied view.
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