Python and Windows - Troubles - Episode 38
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March 27, 2008, 01:21 PM
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Rolf:
Good tutorial. I know you are not using windows but the link below describes some of the troubles real people had installing Python into GIMP ( if that is the correct terminology.) I think you described the easy part of using Python in GIMP once installed. The hard part appears to be installing the software. Anyway thanks and maybe a simple script-fu tut. might be more useful since it already appears to be in GIMP.
http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/topic/Python-And-Gimp-2-4-25587-1.html
Also I could not post this message to your web site. I tried to comment in the comment area of your blog and thought it went through but it didn't. If I can't even send a comment what chance do I have to program in Python?
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March 27, 2008, 07:50 PM
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I know that Windows isn't easy, therefore I use Linux. ;-)
Gimptalk is down just now, I'll look into that later and update the Blog entry if the material is useful.
I'll think about a script-fu tutorial - it's basically the same stuff. But Python is the way to go in the future - said Sven Neumann in his interview with Chaosradio Express. And he has to know it, as he is "Mr. GIMP".
Your problem with the comments - are you Warren? Then you have just made it into the comments. Otherwise - perhaps a database glitch?
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March 28, 2008, 09:30 PM
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March 29, 2008, 11:18 AM
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It's interesting to me that M$-Windoze is still seen as easier than Linux after all the improvements that have been made to linux lately.
This is an excellent example of how easy linux is now; Windoze people have to find an installer to get a piece of software to work, but Linux people at the worst case only have to go to the package manager (i.e. Synaptic - kind of like an Add/Remove Software area) and ask it to install everything for them. For those of us running recent versions of Linux it "just works"! If you bought a car that had the hood completely locked down would it be easier to drive than an "open" one?
If you haven't tried it, I highly suggest that you download an Ubuntu live CD and boot your computer from it. It won't destroy or affect anything on your hard drive - but you can get a small taste of how easy linux is. If you have trouble downloading/burning CDs you can request free CDs sent to you: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download.
There are also videos showing how things work on the Ubuntu Month of screencasts site: http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007
And what are these "real" people that you speak of?
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March 29, 2008, 11:27 AM
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March 29, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Hy Joseph
i hope your was not a reply to my message, anyway i have a dual boot system i use Ubuntu too, and i found any kind of "Linux Vs Windows" discussion really boring and in a discussion on Python on windows really out of topic
Now to make derail this discussion is just needed somebody else stating that real thing is not staff as Ubuntu or Mandriva but FreeBSD and derivates
Or that Ubuntu is only for newbie coming from Windows and Slackware the real thing
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The point was how install Python on windows.
State that is easier in MAC ,Ubuntu , freeBSD , or Solaris is not a useful contribution ...is hijacking a topic
More you give FALSE and MISLEADING INFORMATIONS
as here ".. but Linux people at the worst case only have to go to the package manager .."
That is the very BEST case, but as example to get latest Gimp and GAP on Ubuntu, i had to build it by source fighting with tons of missing dependencies...all from command line
typing in a terminal..same for several gimp plugin
Maybe the worst case is building from source on ubuntu, that as default do not install the dev packages needed to compile from source with less headache...your is not information but propaganda
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March 29, 2008, 01:07 PM
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Peace there!
Nothing in the post of Joseph should be taken as something like the beginning of a new flamewar linux vs windows or other oses.
All the same, I deeply agree that it's lot easier to install and maintain stuff in a linux distro (and even better in case of a Debian based one, with good nice trustful repositories and the aptitude thing).
Obviously, I agree with PhotoComix, installing/updating via apt is the best case, but even when it comes to compile stuff (recently I wanted to install eric4 -python ide- on windows and did build it from sources by myself) it's still easier on the linux side (I have also built from sources stuff in linux).
I'd like to add that, as PothoComix does, I have a dual partition, and my point is that this way I have the best things of both worlds. Therefore I can compare them, and no doubt I'd rather stick to linux. Besides, I have a virtual machine with freebsd, for the sake of knowledge of it, and someday I'll be trying mac.
But everyone happens to have their own needs, which can best be solved with either linux, windows, bsd derivatives, opensolaris, mac or any other os. Plenty of choices, luckyly
That's the way it has to be :-)
All that said in my -very- humble opinion.
Salud!
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March 29, 2008, 01:38 PM
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I apologise if my response to millerfam came across as an anti-Windoze flame. I am very passionate about linux and free software. PhotoComix was very helpful and had one solution to the problem that millerfam was having. I simply wanted to offer another obvious solution: try linux.
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March 29, 2008, 03:37 PM
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I think the current Windows, MacOS and mainstream Linux distributions (e.g. Ubuntu) have more in common than the average FanBoy (nobody here meant, btw) would like to admit. They work most of the times if you stay in the scope of the developers. If you leave that scope you run into problems.
Installing Gimp and friends (developed under Linux mainly) under Windows and MacOS has to be more difficult than under Linux. And the Gimp/GTK crew has made a tremendous effort to keep that as low as possible. But under Ubuntu 7.10 I ran into problems with getting the current GIMPs. Either wait for 8.4 or mangle the system....
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March 29, 2008, 09:05 PM
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To all - thanks for the input. I certainly did not intend to start a Windows vs Other OP flame. I will try PhotoComix's link when I am next feeling brave and can afford to be without my computer for a few days when I really mess things up.
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March 30, 2008, 12:10 AM
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Hy Millefarm
"...I will try PhotoComix's link when I am next feeling brave.."
Maybe will be no much need to be brave
A click on a installer is easy, repeat 5 times not difficult
I believe the problem is only a missing warning ...about the need to restart the computer to complete a install
Reload the computer after installed Python, and then after installed everything else except Gimp may do the difference
Simple even if less simple to guess
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And Joseph ,my was not intended to be a personal attack i also may be very passionate when i try to make my point clear, and then only later i notice how that may seems aggressive
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March 30, 2008, 09:31 AM
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PhotoComix, thanks for the understanding.
millerfam, good luck, I hope you are able to get this working.
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