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It looks like a crisis

Paulo Brabo Team 23   June 11, 2011, 02:06 PM

Janfri's remark (on an earlier thread about the lack of development on 23) made me think a lot.

"I miss the direct wire to the team like in the old days..."

I love 23, so I hate having to agree. In fact the lack of development bothers me *less* than the lack of communication. If we actually knew that something is happening behind the curtains it would help a lot.

As it is, it feels as though something with great potential is simply being neglected by its creators. But hey, this isn't the first time something like that happens on the internets. It looks like a crisis, but it may be only the end of an illusion.

 
pregnantboy   June 11, 2011, 02:30 PM

I miss old good times too... Hope to breath again that great atmosphere that was peculiar to 23!

 
Perkin-warbeck   June 11, 2011, 06:08 PM

I wasn't here in the good old days, so I was mystified by janfri's "direct wire" reference. What direct wire existed then that does not exist now? When I have a problem or find a bug, Steffen jumps right in and helps. So I assume the "direct wire" refers to some other kind of communication that took place between developers and users, perhaps similar to what exists in open source projects. Enlighten me!

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 12, 2011, 08:46 AM

Hi guys,

Don't know if I would call it a crisis, but you're absolutely right that time devoted to 23 Photo Sharing is limited. This isn't because we don't love our photo sharing child and don't want to keep the direct wire open to your guys -- but to be quite honest this is a matter of practicality: In 2010, for every dollar paid for 23 Plus subscriptions, we had $127 of revenue from 23 Video. That's a pretty big split in a company with eight people and eight monthly pay checks (and the ratio has grown above 1:150 in the first months of 2011).

Now, I don't agree that communication is lost. We do whatever we can to react and fix bugs and other requests as quickly as possible; and I kinda hope you guys would agree with me on that one.

Forward-looking development is being neglected, and that's a shame. It's usually easy to find a few hours to fix small issues as they pop up, but keeping up the vision and roadmap is tough. What can we do as a community to externalize the product vision for what we want to do with 23? Or rather, what should we build?

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 12, 2011, 09:27 AM

A few thoughts:

  • TEAM 23: Could we expand the idea of Team 23 away from 23 staff to 23 community (having community leaders and elders be part of running the site)? Obviously, the would be involve boring tasks of spam handling and even porn screening; but it would also be a user group to set a course for the roadmap.
  • FUCK FREEMIUM: Could we eliminate the freemium model? Freemium as an idea is dead. I'd love to make 23 Plus into something other than paying for storage. An approach could be to up the monthly limit to 300 or 500 photos and figure out new privileges to feed into a Plus mode?
  • TEAM PICKS: IkoTikashi did a photo blog centered about shots from 23 a while back -- and I've been wondering how to take some of that mojo and feed it into 23 itself. Could we turn the front page of 23 into a lively photo blog, centered around both old and new photos from our archives? Possibly run by a Team 23 as mentioned above, I think this could be an excellent addition.
  • SOCIAL: How does a modern photo sharing service work alongside social sharing? 23 was on the first wave, and we've gotten behind just as all the first-wavers have. The new mode for photo sharing to throw-away life-streaming on Twitter, but how can we reclaim the mantel?
  • STORIES: How can we make Stories unique? I've always loved our Stories feature, but it's under-used and under-loved. There's something to making it a one-stop shop for doing awesome, immersive albums. I just don't know how.

 
Paulo Brabo Team 23   June 13, 2011, 12:46 PM

Steffen,

Now that looks very direct wire to me. I am tempted to feel sorry for the tone of my initial post, but all I can say is I was very sincere when I wrote it. And I was dying to see some response from you guys.

About 23 video, I'm glad to hear you guys are doing well in that front. It sufficiently explains why development has been slow around here, though it doesn't quite provide a solution for the conundrum.

As for your your thoughts, I love how bold and open-ended they are. I like the possibilities behind all of them, and I think that 1 and 3 should be implemented as soon as possible, along with 2 as soon as we/you figure the best way to do it.

It's a pity that some of our most active and interested users have already left 23 *because* of the lack of development (including a number of the posters from the original thread), so we can't call them back into discussion or participation. But some of us remain, and our passion remain as real as yours. I recognize the openness of the 23 stand is a rare thing; we should definitely dream this thing together.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 13, 2011, 01:18 PM

No need to feel sorry about the tone; I understand the engagement, and more-over it's something we have always valued at 23. So please be sure to keep that coming. From our end, I can promise that even if time is limited, communication won't be. That's fair criticism and it has been duly noted.

Yes, #1 & #3 are pretty tightly related. Let's start sharing the Team 23 label -- and then come up with the ideas for how #3 would work best?

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 13, 2011, 09:21 PM

I never had the impression the team was unreachable. When there's a problem, someone from the team (usually Steffen…) has always replied in time and tried really hard to fix it. But there are different time zones and they need sleep too, so it might takes some hours before an answer arrives.

About #1: Maybe distinguish "Team 23" and "23 Community", with Team 23 being the employees running the systems and 23 Community being that - community members that take care of some of the front-end social-net features?

About #2: The missing limit is the most interesting part of getting a plus membership. But you could go with something like this: 300 images for the start, like it currently is. After they're used up, 30 images a month for 3 months. Then 60 or 90 images a month for half a year. After one year you get 150 or maybe even 300 images a month to upload. Plus will give you unlimited like now.

About #3: Can't offer much, maybe a few small ideas from my notes:
Possibly introduce some kind of rating system for images. The range would be like from -5 to +5 with 0 being ok, -5 awful and +5 superb. You can rate everyone else's images but not your own (because if you don't like them you wouldn't have uploaded them, right?) Individual ratings are invisible to the uploader, but the combined score is public (if the images is public). You can see and change your own rating at any time. Images in a group get two ratings: One from everyone and one only calculated from the ratings of the members of this group, who have posted a least one image in this group. Favorited would remain separate from this.
Another idea are challenges or competitions (yes, I know, I stole this one). Five competitions a year, starting in the odd-numbered months and running for six weeks for entries and following two weeks for closing ratings. The winning image will be used on the 23 homepage for the following two months, while the next challenge is running. Challenges are themed like "toys", "transportation, but no cars", "truly old (unedited)" or smth alike. November and december a theme-free competition runs. The images have to be newly uploaded for the competitions, you can't enter already uploaded ones. Only if you enter an image yourself you're allowed to rate other participants images, but everyone can comment.
Also, it would be nice to have a feature to "link" from an image to another one, like an edited version (not necessarily done by the same user) without having to do that via the description text.

About #5: It has probably the same problem as some other parts of 23: Editing texts in a browser is cumbersome. Having the ability to use an external editor and upload a plain text file with 23-image links inside as a story would be much easier and more comfortable. And having a preview feature, not only for stories but any other text entry box as well. Editing is fine, but in the meantime a crawler might have already grabbed it.

Btw, there's something most people probably don't even know: 23 is unique in that it's one of the very few sites able to grok and correctly serve 16bit images (if you upload them as png). That's very nice and deserves to be emphasized, just like some other little-know feature e.g. geo-tagging or drag&drop upload (discovered this one by accident).

ps: If you upload images, you can choose an album to add them too, but not a group. You have to do this manually later one, either image by image or via the add photos to group function, which are both not very user-friendly if it's a large bunch of images. Would be nice to have this in the uploader, so you can let it run over night.

 
clvrmnky   June 14, 2011, 01:59 AM

I agree there has to be more value-add than a place to host and store photos. Even though this is way more convenient than hosting the images myself. The fact is I, as a single user, don't command many visits to my blog or my photos. I could host them anywhere.

But I don't just throw my pics into the stream, either. My 23 account is sort of a cross between a portfolio and a neat toy I play with.

I like all your ideas, actually. I think abandoning the freemium model might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but it makes a bit of sense, especially since I can't envision how to make Plus more attractive.

Sadly, I don't have any bright ideas myself on what the next big way to leverage the social, visual web.

Having the 23 main page be a visual magazine/blog/thing curated by some of the Plus old-timers is an interesting idea I'm going to roll around in my brain. Perhaps stealing the JPEG Magazine idea of regular themes where photos are submitted and upvoted. There are problems with this model, but it is a start.

But, if the key to success is to get 20% of the people actively engaged (i.e., much is made of the 80/20 split when trying to grow a movement of some kind) this might mean having 20% of 23 users into Plus users. (Is this an improvement over current numbers? I assume so.)

I'm wondering what it takes to get me into that 20%.

Let's continue this dialogue.

 
pregnantboy   June 15, 2011, 02:48 PM

We have to think about some way to stimulate people to use 23 to create something good. Competitions, as suggested by nachbarnebenan, can be a good way to achieve this goal; a visual blog that collects goodies from 23 users can help. We can imagine a global system of stats and charts (e.g weekly, monthly, by various parameters), trying to find right methods to promote good photography and not just picture from holidays parties and so on. In few words I think that 23 should be a place where photography lovers, not only pro's, can talk and exchange their feelings. I'm here since a very long time and, even if I'm not to active as a publisher, I check my subscriptions every day, I visit forum and I try to contribute when possible. I used to love this place and I'll continue. I will be happy to help 23 in this new adventure.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 15, 2011, 08:23 PM

I'd be a bit worried about introducing too many rating scheme and ways to earn points; to my mind such concepts are can both be gamable and distracting.

After giving it some thought, I would love to turn the front page into a community photo blog promoting good photography as @pregnantboy said. Such a feature would be run by having a sub-group of users (anywhere from 5 to 30 people) be able to promote snapshots to be featured. I would think it somewhat cool to call this group Team 23 only because it has a nice and inclusive connotation.

How would it work then? We could simply expand the current Favorites feature so:
- When you add a favorite photos, you'll be able to add a small personal note as part of the faving.
- This note would be part of the comment stream on the photos; could be posted to Facebook and Twitter.
- Whenever a Team 23 member adds another user's photo as his or her favorite, it will be promoted to the frontpage.
- The view on the frontpage will include the personal note from the member posting it there.

This scheme is a nice way to introduce Team 23 (we'll find more cool stuff to do with the label as well), will add life to the front page, will give us a way to feature The Good Stuff, will allow for old photos to be promoted as well as old ones -- and there's a bit of social media goodness to it as well.

By the way, @clvrmnky talks about engagement. I actually don't care about finding some magic number for the split. I want to be doing fun, interesting and collaborative stuff -- and I think we can all agree on that goal, making 23 into a playground yet again.

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 15, 2011, 09:41 PM

> "I'd be a bit worried about introducing too many rating scheme and ways to earn points"

Sorry, maybe I expressed myself wrongly. Ok, I'll try again: At the moment the only indication you have about how other people like your images are if they mark them as favorites. The number of views are no big help, because it doesn't tell you how much viewers liked the image. So I suggested a more fine-grained scale in addition to favorites. It's not about earning points or so, but a help in measuring your images impact on others.

> "[…]making 23 into a playground yet again."

Not sure, if this does make much sense: Maybe introduce something like variants for images. Hopefully I can explain it: Someone uploads an image, then another user edits it and uploads a different version (changed whitebalance, cloned something out etc). This version is then attached to the original image (if the uploader allowed it) as a variant, visible as a small tab at the top or down. Clicking it switching to that version in-place.
This way it would be much easier than linking to your version in the comments, and certainly much more fun. It could be limited to images posted to a group with this feature activated or so. There one of the variants could even be selected randomly upon viewing an image.

 
clvrmnky   June 16, 2011, 01:22 AM

Yeah, we have to be careful about ratings. In practice, rating systems on photo sites *pre-Flickr, where you had to submit photos that were "good enough") usually resulted in the same-old reinforcement of tired tropes.

We want to make sure we let the weird and woolly stuff bubble to the top, too. We ought to keep it organic and let the good stuff just come naturally.

Actually, I'd love for a mechanism where I get exposed to a wider variety of 23 users.

 
pregnantboy   June 16, 2011, 08:18 AM

Steffen when you refer to "front page" you mean "just in" page or what? I'm asking to figure how this page could be. By the way, I like this idea and I think that it should be on top of 23 "to do" list.
When I say charts and ratings I mean that could be useful to have a page or something else where pictures uploaded can be promoted to other users. For example, now on 23 I see only pictures from my subscriptions and sometimes I discover a new user thanks to the popular stuff box at the bottom of the page, note that this box is smaller for non plus user. We don't need to invent new ways of earning point, just a system to expose better what we have, to wider the audience for our pictures.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 16, 2011, 04:59 PM

When I say frontpage, I mean the frontpage -- at http://www.23hq.com. I would still include a sign up button and stuff like that of course, but it would be a direction for the entire site. You're right, though, that Just In also would figure into this scheme.

 
pregnantboy   June 16, 2011, 05:31 PM

The Just In page could be this new front page when you're logged in, 'cos if you're logged in www.23hq.com shows the dashboard.

 
richy   June 17, 2011, 07:12 PM

I agree pregnantboy. It would be cool to have a better overview about new pictures with different sections. I'am glad about this open discussion.

 
Perkin-warbeck   June 17, 2011, 09:53 PM

I don't like competing, so I hope the emphasis does not move in that direction, but remains on sharing. I have a lot of email subscriptions. I enjoy looking at others' photos and sometimes commenting on them, and of course I appreciate the comments I get. Like others, I discover new users from the front page -- mainly from "what's popular now." Anything we can do to enhance the front page in order to feature new and interesting photos would be an improvement. Perhaps we could have "Team 23" members promote such photos to the front page for a short span of time.

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 17, 2011, 10:29 PM

You're right. If challenges are to be introduced they're just for fun, not to evoke rivalry or even feuding. Competitions serve more as a way to motivate yourself to do something, as a kind of stimuli, not something to drive you off or to be afraid of.

>Anything we can do to enhance the front page in order to feature new and interesting photos would be an improvement.

Some random element would be nice. Wikipedia has a link to select a random article, why not have a selection of 5 or so random images from all over 23 along the popular and just-in ones?

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 18, 2011, 08:26 AM

Any inspiration for who's doing flow photo blogging well -- both in terms of curating and design?

 
clvrmnky   June 19, 2011, 09:14 PM

I haven't looked recently, but check out JPG Magazine http://jpgmag.com/

 
pregnantboy   June 21, 2011, 10:06 AM

Hey Steffen, I'm trying to design a new homepage model for 23 with Inkscape. I'm just curious about 23 logo font, is it something free that I can reproduce?

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 21, 2011, 11:18 AM

I think the font int the logo is Paralucent, but we usually use Antenna for longer branded texts. Otherwise there's always Helvetica ;-)

 
TheRatRace   June 24, 2011, 10:47 AM

I'm here since 2005, so that qualifies me as an old timer, I suppose.

I like the idea of a collective photoblog as a front page.

I like the idea of re-knitting together a community around the 23 site. Probably some sort of "competition" would be welcome -- but I'm thinking more of something like setting a theme for people to create and submit their images -- than an "OK you win" thing. An example I like is "Words to shhot by": http://wordstoshootby.blogspot.com/

A feature I'd love, but I don't know if it's even remotely feasible: interconnection with other communities. I showcase some of my images on Flickr too, and I'd like to have comments, links, likes and so on shared between the two worlds.
This is connected to another theme, which I believe could be of some importance: I feel there is a community aesthetic here on 23 -- and that it IS different from that of Flickr and of other photo sharing sites. On one side it would be good to promote this identity (and the photoblog on the front page is a good tool), on the other it would be interesting to compare it with others.

On another ground: I understand that it makes no economical sense to develop new features on the photo sharing site, when the real business is elsewhere and the forces are limited. But I wonder if it would be feasible to "open source" at least a part of the code, and to promote some community development.

(Last and least, a wishlist: 1. large, full screen slideshows; 2. entirely RSS customizable badges and web presentations)

P. S.: what about having stats on the photos?

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 27, 2011, 07:45 AM

Old-timer indeed!

As for the photoblog part, I think it's a matter of just moving ahead. We're hit by vacations for the next few weeks meaning that there's no-one home to design stuff for me (and you don't want to see me designing anything!). My approach would probably interlock with favorites as suggested before, and from there we could move over into competition mode if we find the right approach.

Interconnection would be amazing, but it's hard -- and frankly I'm not really sure how to handle rights to comments etc. For example, we could probably suck out all comments from Flickr+Facebook and have them displayed on 23, but it would be hard for the commenters to remove or edit them afterwards. And I'm actually not sure if we're allowed to at all.

Open sourcing would be great, and we actually are open sourcing a lot of bits and pieces from 23 Video over on github.com/23 -- but 23 Photo Sharing is a single intermeshed code-base where it's almost impossible to open up. I would love to share, would love to have help, but unfortunately there just isn't a workable approach to the challenge.

If it's RSS-based, wouldn't it be easy to use the badges available elsewhere on the web? In any case, give me some good example of badges, and I'll look into it.

 
TheRatRace   June 27, 2011, 01:16 PM

2. entirely RSS customizable badges and web presentations

Oops, that was a typo. I meant "entirely CSS customizable badges and web presentations" -- sorry.

 
IkoTikashi   June 27, 2011, 05:42 PM

Keep Facebook and flickr out of 23 please! :) There should be "3rd party applications" that handle display of comments and stuff from 23 and those services.

As for "competition mode": I'm with TheRatRace, let users decide which (of their own) photos they want to be voted for/rated. And make sure people can downvote photos.

my 2 cents

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 27, 2011, 11:33 PM

> And make sure people can downvote photos.

Definitely a + from me for this one.
It would also make sense to distinguish between rating and voting:
Rating is something you globally allow for your (public) photos, for which everyone else can give positive or negative feedback (the scale still needs to be agreed on) anonymously.
Voting is for photos in groups (I suppose challenges/competitions will be handled as special groups internally) which have this feature activated and works exactly the same way, but is independent of rating and not anonymous.
Explanation: Let's say a competition has the topic of "flowers in summer". You post a photo of a watering can. Everyone likes it, because it is perfectly composed, has nice contrast and colors etc. and you get a a lot of good ratings and comments, but only negative votes because it is off-topic and doesn't fit. The same would be true the other way around: If the topic is "derelict", a photo of an abandoned, old partially demolitioned house may get low ratings for it being off-center and badly exposed, but it might receive good votes for fitting with the contest.
This would also mean that votes are temporary and get deleted after the challenge is complete, but can't be changed and ratings are permanent but can be changed or withdrawn at any time. Challenges run for a specific time only and the vote you cast is set in stone (which will force you to think before voting — something you should do in reality as well…), but your opinion of a photo expressed as the rating may change over time.
Both features will probably share most of their code, so it shouldn't be too much additional work.
Oh, and it would probably be best if one can only vote in a challenge if you have at least entered one photo yourself.

 
Perkin-warbeck   June 28, 2011, 12:41 AM

I don't think challenges are ever "just for fun," at least not for me. I tried dpchallenge.com for a while. Competing made me feel different about my work than when I simply shared it, and I took it personally if I didn't score well.

On the other hand, it would be nice if we could nominate photos for a gallery of particularly noteworthy photos (excluding photos of our own). Better still, automate the selection by combining everyone's "Favorites uploaded by others," ranking them by the total number of faves, or the most faves from people who themselves have the most faves (something like Google's page count). Then rather than competing only with people who enjoy competition(which does not include everyone), we effectively compete with ourselves to make better and better pictures.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 28, 2011, 07:02 AM

You're slowly having me come around to competitions -- but each would seem to be better left self-organized; could this be something to work as a part of photogroups?

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 28, 2011, 12:59 PM

> could this be something to work as a part of photogroups?

I think the current photogroup code should already be able to handle much of it. Instead of 23hq.com/photogroup/groupname you'd simply type 23hq.com/competition/challengename, a simple alias rewrite could probably suffice. Specific members or the Team 23 gets the capability to create these aliases along with the groups they point to.
Then, as Perkin-warbeck suggested, the current favorite system can be used within these groups to determine ranking, so no need for a new voting/rating system.
After a set time, maybe 72 hours or three months, these groups are reverted to "normal" groups and the next challenge commences.
23hq.com/competition would always show the currently active competition in the upper half, a random selection of previous competitions in the lower left half and the three or five recent ones in the lower right half.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   June 28, 2011, 01:07 PM

Could actually be pretty cool as a feature: 23hq.com/challenge -- to set up a photo competition or challenge with given parameter and an easy way for people to participate. Nice.

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 28, 2011, 02:33 PM

You could create a locked user account named challenge or competition and put a specific style on it to (ab)use the latest screen to show a mirror of the currently running challenge from the internal challenge group. The album tab would then present the old challenges as entries (links to their now normal groups) and the calendar shows the dates of the deadlines. Favorites is just the current rating, the about the description of the challenge from the group and tags is simply mirrored from the group.
This might even work without much new code, just some design changes for this account (aka: less work for you - more work for your designers…).

 
nachbarnebenan plus   June 28, 2011, 04:16 PM

I've posted a quick mockup design of how the page could look. It's marked as private to not attract too much coverage…

 
nath   June 28, 2011, 08:21 PM

Nice to read something by Steffen again.
Good to see there is still hope for improvement.

 
clvrmnky   July 01, 2011, 08:32 PM

I don't mind having something akin to a themed challenge, though I also have reservations about turning anything at 23 into a contest. Part of the problem is that no matter how good or bad the photo, it can tend toward being simply a popularity contest.

It doesn't have to be, of course.

If we do do this sort of thing, perhaps make sure we stress the "challenge" aspect. Like the 10x10 or 100 Snapshots challenges people try out, perhaps make it more about seeing the world in a different way, and sharing that vision. That is, we stress that the challenges are about unique, interesting or surprising interpretations of a general subject or situation.

This way, we won't get the same "beautiful sunset" or "over processed portrait" looks that such contests tend to reward. (And, let me just say I'm not calling anyone out here; in fact, I'm guilty as charged for my own derivative photography.)

But, if we can find a way for folks to "curate" photos to enhance and build on the sharing aspect, this would be great. It doesn't have to be about the front page, either. I think we should consider how to allow curators to elevate any sort of interesting collection so that I am more likely to see it.

I have no concrete ideas on how to do that specifically, but the challenge here is slicing through all the data using some finite criteria and finding the gems. We ought to be able to crowd-source /something/ along those lines...?

 
Perkin-warbeck   July 01, 2011, 09:40 PM

Very well expressed, clvmnky! These are exactly my sentiments.

 
Paulo Brabo Team 23   July 07, 2011, 08:37 PM

It seems most of us agree that [1] an attractive, ever-changing front page and [2] a gentle, yet stimulating challenge feature are the way to go -- at least as a first step, just to stir things up. I'd love to take a look at those mock-ups you guys have been working on. nachbarnebenan? pregnantboy?

And I most definitely vote to keep 23 to be as separate from Facebook and Flickr as possible. We are so much cooler than them, obviously!

 
nachbarnebenan plus   July 08, 2011, 03:18 AM

My feeble attempt at a mockup you can find in the photos of this group (the most recent one). It should be visible to the group members.

I think one important fact should be stressed: These are _friendly_ competitions to encourage creativity, share ideas and stimulate imagination, not starting points of rivalry and feuding. Except the privilege of having your image(s) shown in a prominent place along your name there's no prize to win.

 
IkoTikashi   July 15, 2011, 01:22 PM

Don't know the name for that kind of gallery/collage, but I find http://cubbi.es/ quite nice

 
pregnantboy   July 28, 2011, 11:56 AM

Sorry if I've been a bit less present recently... Summer here is sunny and I've been busy with other stuff. But I promise that you'll have my mockup.

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   September 15, 2011, 06:02 PM

So, it's been a really long time coming -- but we've been moving on implementing some of these ideas in this post:
- I have posted a draft for a new front page design at http://www.23hq.com/steffen/photo/7175319. As you can see, we want to feature more and bigger photos on our new front page -- and we want you guys to help us in choosing stuff.
- We are recruiting a small crowd of Team 23 people. These beautiful people will be able to promote any favorite (of other people's photos) to the front page -- along with a short note.
- Promoted photos will also be included on the Just In page and in the footer.
- As you can see, we are also considering a few design tweaks to the header and navigation.

 
Paulo Brabo Team 23   September 15, 2011, 06:29 PM

I have to apologize for my absence as well. Work is hitting harder than usual.

Steffen: I don't have the time to analyze it in details right now, but I'm loving the new front page design (and the ideas behind it). It looks classy and clean. My only thought is that maybe we're seeing a tad too many photos for a front page. Maybe we should use more rotation and less photos on each random display?

 
Paulo Brabo Team 23   September 15, 2011, 06:33 PM

As in



 
Perkin-warbeck   September 15, 2011, 06:37 PM

Or maybe a slideshow.

 
nachbarnebenan plus   September 15, 2011, 08:01 PM

I like this design, it's well organized and not too cluttered. However, I pity the poor souls having to choose the images…
A small idea: the three small images could rotate, after some time like 2 or 4h, the oldest of the images gets replaced with a new one from the selected list. The big photo should only change every 24 or maybe 48h.

 
Daniel Isenmann   September 20, 2011, 09:48 AM

Now that will look awesome. Would really like to see such a new front page. I like the idea from Paulo, but personally I would move the "popular" photos at the bottom to an seperate page.

See only the big photo on top and the three smaller one. That's all. Maybe a small link somewhere "See popular photos".

 
Paulo Brabo Team 23   September 20, 2011, 02:50 PM

Daniel, I'm with you here. As showcasing photos is concerned, keeping everything else clean is essential. Let the photos shine by themselves.

 
Daniel Isenmann   September 21, 2011, 11:42 AM

I have another idea about the photos which should be shown on the frontpage. Since ages there is the points in photo ranking, you can see that in the photo details. Maybe this can be an indicator for a selection. I don't know how exactly this is calculated, but it would help the team to look for popular/interesting photos.

But it is essential not to loose the newly added good photos, so other team members can have a look through the "Just In" page regularly and add photos they like to the selection or to new selection, let's call it "New interesting photos" or "Team selection" which are really a selection made by humans and their flavour. If there are enough members you should get a good variety of different kind of photos. But this is only be possible if the team has a certain amount of members.

Having lot of ideas in my mind, but that's all for the moment. Otherwise my post would be too long and the thing which is important/interesting at the moment would be only one of many ideas.

 
Perkin-warbeck   November 19, 2011, 05:51 PM

Steffen wrote: "Any inspiration for who's doing flow photo blogging well -- both in terms of curating and design?"

I recently began participating in Google+ "Daily Photographic Themes." Several themes available for each day of the week, and each has one or more curators. You upload a photo, tag it with the name of the theme, and hope it gets curated onto the theme page.

 
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