Group for former Flickr users who don't like censorship.

not too much activity here...

chakra   April 05, 2008, 05:27 PM

For being the first group of 23, it's not too active.
Well, here I am!

 
Treesa   April 05, 2008, 11:19 PM

hi

 
kerrylunt   April 06, 2008, 08:29 AM

hello everyone

 
chakra   April 06, 2008, 11:07 AM

hello kerry!

 
J_Images   April 14, 2008, 02:09 PM

And a hello from me too. Just started here to see if this is going to be 'my new home'

 
Karuloom   April 14, 2008, 02:24 PM

J, its funny that I can see your icon with IE or Safari but not with Firefox. Same happens to my own icon. Seems to be a 23hq bug?

 
Fred Jackson   April 15, 2008, 04:34 PM

Hi every-one,
It has only just got started, once word gets aroud there may be others joining.
It can only grow!
Lets get this community going...

 
ian legge   April 16, 2008, 01:26 PM

Hi all

 
Karuloom   April 16, 2008, 05:59 PM

Hi Ian, nice to see that you found your way here too :)

 
J_Images   April 16, 2008, 06:12 PM

Aah, familiar faces gathering here? Good to see the community growing :)

 
chakra   April 17, 2008, 10:21 AM

Do you all think 23 has something (or lacks it) flickr hasn't?
I'm still trying to decide wheter leave F or not.

 
ian legge   April 17, 2008, 10:43 AM

Thanks Karuloom, still finding my feet as it were.
My Flickr account runs till January 09 so I have plenty of time to make up my mind what to do....I guess time will tell whether 23 is up to it Cangia

 
Fred Jackson   April 17, 2008, 02:09 PM

I've got until November to see how F goes but I see nothing wrong with getting a new community going elsewhere at the same time.I'm sure that if we come up with any sensible suggestions 23 might be prepared to listen.
In fact it would be nice to see how 23 envisages this site going!

 
Karuloom   April 17, 2008, 03:15 PM

There seems to be no viewcount on pictures. Thats about the only thing I miss.

 
chakra   April 17, 2008, 06:56 PM

@Karuloom: I like stories, but I miss too viewcount.

 
J_Images   April 17, 2008, 07:57 PM

Well Kaur, There is a view count: see "your photo's" and sort them by 'view'.

 
kiri   April 18, 2008, 06:23 AM

I have also just moved over here from flickr after trying out several other sites like zooomr etc.
So far this one seems the best.
... Except that I can't seem to get it to show my avatar :(

 
chakra   April 18, 2008, 08:45 AM

@kiri, I had this problem too, but it was mine; try forcing page refresh or emptying cache.

@J_Images, Thanks!

 
kiri   April 18, 2008, 09:22 AM

@cangia: Thanks! I forced refresh and it shows up now :)

By the way, has anyone found a way to add photos in a 23hq feed to facebook? I couldn't find any applications that do it..

 
carrie   April 18, 2008, 02:44 PM

I'm having problems changing my profile picture, is anyone else having this problem too?

 
kiri   April 18, 2008, 03:04 PM

lol. Look one post above yours ;)

 
J_Images   April 20, 2008, 04:47 PM

Anyone an idea what the deal is with th e'photo ranking'? What are the parameters?

 
burwell   May 01, 2008, 07:21 PM

Hi everyone.......my flickr pro account expires 4th May and have been trying for 3 days to extend it but due to a flickr glich have been unable to as yet....guess flickr is getting to big and impersonal......if more flickerites come over to this site in time I don`t think they will be too disappointed.

 
Treesa   May 05, 2008, 03:53 AM

If you want this site to work as an alternative to flickr you really have to breathe some life into it. I have my issues with flickr but I'm still there. I'm on other sites to show support for people who really can't abide by flickr but its up to them to keep those communities alive.

I'm glad photographers are finding other alternatives to the big box sites.

 
karl louis   May 05, 2008, 05:54 AM

who wants to look at millions of maybe photoshopped sunset snapshots? if yes, stay active at flickr and pay yahoo more money... ;-)
http://karllouis.com

 
chakra   May 05, 2008, 11:27 AM

karl, you have an amazing portfolio.

 
markuss5   May 09, 2008, 07:12 PM

since we're still a few let's hello ourselves to death! hehehehe kidding.

 
chakra   May 09, 2008, 07:27 PM

You're right markuss5, so "Welcome to 23hq!"

 
karl louis   May 10, 2008, 07:12 AM

less is more!

big communities like flickr have also big problems, e.g. censorship.

better be in smaller communities with cool people.

 
lowprophyle   November 03, 2008, 02:59 AM

hi folks, made this account when all that flickr censorship shit started, but didn't actually use it as long as my pro account could still cause them some traffic.
I really think, this site is nice. for sure, the infrastructe ain't the same as on flickr, but well, thats fine with me. but what you simply can't deny is that there is surely something like "quality" on flickr, which still lacks here. I'm quite busy watching for new uploads here, but 23 seems more like family and party snaps. maybe it's only the variety of images on flickr, which grants a certain degree of quality..
don't get me wrong, I surely don't consider myself a pro-photographer, but for me there are still some reason to keep my flickr-account.. with us-american yahoo-id of course, meanwhile I'm waiting for some broader scale of images here.
greetings to all ya..

 
lowprophyle   December 29, 2008, 12:27 AM

Still impressed about the speed of discussion here. maybe I should have said "halelujaaaah 23!" ?!?!

 
Treesa   December 29, 2008, 01:22 AM

If you are still concerned about the original censorship issue and you still have your flickr account you could keep this thread alive :
http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/43626/
They lock them after 30 days without activity.

 
lowprophyle   December 29, 2008, 11:57 PM

been there, done that..
well, I still am and still don't like the way flickr handles this issue. nevertheless, I recently noticed, that people who are not logged into 23 see nice little google ads next to my photos. of course this seems to be my fault, as I don't have a pro-account and 23 wants to get paid somehow as well, and 2nd I deliver the necessary information by adding tags to my photos. nevertheless, thus 23 is gaining money with the photos I shot. I'm sure they put an hint concerning this somewhere in their regulations. nevertheless, this as well is something strange. and I haven't seen too many naked people shots here as well. so what exactly makes 23 any better than flickr?

 
chakra   January 11, 2009, 07:10 PM

Fabian, I stil don't know...

 
Treesa   January 12, 2009, 07:47 PM

its basically an alternative to flickr. Competition is good, don't you think?

 
llllllllll   April 28, 2009, 06:40 PM

@ fabian f.

well i think the fact that 23 isn't censoring as much as flickr makes it a little "better".

 
llllllllll   April 28, 2009, 06:41 PM

and concerning the "not too much activity here" -

23 is (still) rather small, yes.
sometimes that's nice!

 
lowprophyle   April 28, 2009, 10:28 PM

well, if I want to, I can still see naked people doing strange stuff on flickr. I also never had problems, posting comments on flickr, but for some reason I always have to type that captcha stuff, when I post somewhere on 23 (even as a logged-in user beneath my own photos..) nevertheless, once in a while I get strange spam messages, so what..
If anybody of you has ever seen any explicitly sexual content, please gimme a note, cause I'd really like to see it. not for my personal pleasure, but just for knowing that it's there.
for those of you who haven't read the term of use: "You are not allowed to post content of an explicitly sexual nature to 23. Such content will be removed without notice." --> http://www.23hq.com/23/terms
prohibitting of course is much better than restricting access.
don't get me wrong, I really do like 23. I like it for beeing rather small (and yes, there are damn good photographers on flickr), I like it for it's upload policy (not being restricted to 200 photos unless you pay, although I don't use this amount), I like it for the atmosphere.
But we ought not sit here and feel as if we were in a free environment, where everybody is free to post and tell, whereas flickr is the hell of censorship. that's simply phony.

 
llllllllll   April 29, 2009, 08:03 AM

well all i said is they are censoring not as much as flickr.

about the captcha stuff:
(see also this thread: http://www.23hq.com/forums/message-view?message_id=3934875)
in berlin it happens to me all the time.
these stupid spam filters apparently don't learn as steffen says.
yes, this sucks.
maybe it would help if more people tell them.
(i haven't seen any spam massages in 23 anyway so far).

cheers.

 
markx   May 21, 2009, 01:05 PM

I don't like the censorship of flickr [if one idiot flags one of your pics your hole account is moderated] but i do like all the comments you're getting there.
Here at 23 i see only few comments; it seems members here are non-responsive or something; on flickr most of the time when i make a comment people react back; here they don't...

 
chakra   May 21, 2009, 01:10 PM

@markx, difference lies in numbers, I think. 23 is a lot smaller.

 
lowprophyle   May 21, 2009, 02:29 PM

I think I expressed this more than once, in general I completely agree with markx (and with magullo's explaination as well..)
flickr was and still is somewhat more vivid, there seems to be a larger interest in photos in general. people seem to stalk around through all the photos, comment on other people's shots (and not only with "fancy", "cool", "great" and "nice") and yep, those themselves reacted, not only with "thanks" but with a little further explaination, they themselves having a look on the commenter's shots. So it was a lot more than a community, bound by a common interest in photography. Don't get me wrong, there certainly is some good photography on 23, but it widely seems to me like a platform for simply hosting images shown on blogs (I love all thos crumpy photos of blurred dishes shown here..) or some family-party stuff. 23 simply ain't that much about photography. that it's not only about simply beeing smaller you can see on ipernity. they also began after censorship was introduced on flickr, they are also much smaller, but in fact, they are a lot more vivid, even more a photographic community.

 
Simo Järvinen   May 21, 2009, 02:47 PM

Indeed, Flickr has its problems, but they have succeeded very well in community building whereas 23 has done many things right but failed miserably to build lively community.

 
chakra   May 21, 2009, 02:49 PM

@Fabian, you're right.
And, I daresay, it's a shame. 23 needs activity as much as good photos. It lacks "interest" being like this.

 
kool   May 21, 2009, 02:55 PM

so how is a community built?..... i leave that question hanging as i do not have the answer.. it may have something to do with numbers as i think flickr members are counted in their millions whereas 23hg is probably in the low thousand...perhaps someone could confirm that?
the flickr community is built around groups.... by far the majority of which appear to be sex related, small tits, big tits, nude etc etc, i have never posted nudes here as i am unsure of the policy....

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   May 21, 2009, 03:22 PM

Hey guys -- I'm always a bit reluctant to post in the Flickr Exile group with the official Team 23 title next to my name, but I thought I'd write a few lines.

I love that you're craving community -- and I'm certianly hoping that there's nothing techinically standing in your way when you want to build community on 23. If that's the case be sure to let us know. We really do want you guys to feel at home amongst yourselves ;-)

Also, I want interested in the comment about 23 being used differently than flickr. Obviously I don't know anything about flickr's numbers, but I see a lot of photos being shared privately and in closed circles through 23. This focus might have been caused by our attempts to be more geared towards family sharing, but is might be an obstacle to community building. However, the degree of private sharing certainly doesn't preclude 23 from also having a vibrant community.

So, the statement of lacking activity in the title of this thread is a bit uninteresting -- it's much more interesting what we/you as a community can do to improve it? (And implicitly, how the staff at 23 can help you along?)

 
lowprophyle   May 21, 2009, 03:22 PM

but it's impressive to see, how much activity there can be.. ;)
@kool: that's probably right. never counted them, but considering the flow of photos to be seen on the "recently uploaded" page, I suppose it aren't too many..
your question concerning nudes, I'd answer with a quote, which I've once posted a little before: "You are not allowed to post content of an explicitly sexual nature to 23. Such content will be removed without notice." --> http://www.23hq.com/23/terms
So I don't eaxactly know what this means for "artistic nudes", but maybe karl louis may tell something more enlightening, as he is the only one I know here, who posted those.
how to build a community? well, I don't know. at first, I think, it's neither the task nor in the possibility of the programmers. at least, the users seem to be in charge of this aspect. therefore, the interest, the ideas how to improve should come out of the community. in my opinion, a real group function would be useful (therfore the possibility to invite single images to groups, options for group moderation etc..). the groups are the places, where people of same photographic interest meet. well, as far as groups already exist, I have the feeling that they are not used as such. you post, but that's it. it seems to me, that noone really looks for new photos in groups, or takes a further interest in what is there.. so here's the community itself in charge.
another point is the possibility to take "contact" or abonnements. I still don't understand exactly, what is the difference between "subscribing" to another one's photos an adding him as a contact. (much easier on flickr) also I miss an announcement function, which tells me, that I've been added (at least I look on people's profiles and photo streams, when they comment or add me..)
and finally, yep, 23 still suffers from the mere absence of photographers..

 
Philipp Mertens   May 21, 2009, 03:29 PM

some thoughts:
-bring more interaction to 23: you only get an E-Mail or notification when someone comment your photo, expand this feature if somebody favorite, twitter, blog, post to facebook... (because I don't comment a lot, but fave a lot)


-bring more People to 23

the pros of 23 that other photosharing sites don't offer:
- all you photos remain online/public if you stop be a "pro" "plus" or ... not just the last 200
- you can comment all photos without a registration
- you can style your photo as you like via css

 
Simo Järvinen   May 21, 2009, 03:32 PM

Kool, that's a very good question. I don't have answer to that either and so doesn't many others, only very few succeed in that. It ends up in the numbers game, but even flickr has not always had millions of users, they have also started from nothing and somehow been able to get all those users. Sure it's partly just pure luck, but probably it has also something to do with offering right kind of service at right time, creating positive hype etc. etc.

Sex naturally sells, but I guess it's more complicated, otherwise every place would just be full of sex.

 
kool   May 21, 2009, 03:36 PM

steffen dont be reluctant to post....i find the best social sites are the ones with an active participation by the powers that be.
Yes more publicity.......
yes make it more user friendly i only seem to subscribe as a reaction to someone who has subscribed me.... what is a contact/subscriber?
what is sexually explicit...one man meat is another man's poison.....i am not talking porn..but nude and erotic.....
actually this is the most activity i have ever seen on 23hq, so it is obviously a bone of contention....

 
Steffen Tiedemann Christensen Team 23   May 21, 2009, 03:52 PM

@kool: I probably post all too frequently elsewhere, I just don't want to post where I'm not welcome -- and some might find that the flickr exile group is such a place ;-)

I'm hearing some suggestions for stuff that's of a purely technical nature: Optimize how contacts are done (might be done by merging subs and contacts more tightly and renaming to follow), bring favorites and comments into that universe (that is following other people's favs etc), and include the wider social web to track how photos are being shared via mail, twitter, facebook, blogs etc. (Currently: Contacts are purely connections to other people on 23; Subscriptions are a way of getting photos from some of those contacts.)

Sexually explicit: We're not prudes and we're not against art. We are however trying to keep 23 porn-free. So you're right that it's a fine line -- and it's a debate we're more than willing to take given. In the case of the participants in recent conversation, I'd say that anything you're willing to post to your own photostream alongside your existing photos is well within what we would consider artistic.

 
kool   May 21, 2009, 04:04 PM

@ steffen
interesting that this is the biggest group.....and you are very welcome. I like your suggestions...
re erotica, i would not post alongside my present stream...i am a university professor and many of my students look at this site and i do have a reputation to think about!!..... maybe i could open another stream using a nom de plume for my more creative works.........

 
Nemi   May 22, 2009, 06:48 PM

Hi, I'm new here... Just uploaded my fist pic :)

 
kool   May 22, 2009, 06:57 PM

and it is a nice picture, great colours... welcome to 23hq

 
/SeX# ─────█████████════█   May 22, 2009, 07:23 PM
 
Treesa   December 10, 2009, 12:43 AM

more trouble in the flickr help forum paradise. This time over ads on paid accounts.

 
voyager   December 10, 2009, 01:22 AM

Something tells me that this place is going to get more active soon. Oh, nice spam, I miss that on Flickr!

 
Vatis   January 30, 2010, 06:37 AM

Been a while since the last post.

 




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